No Warp core, just a quantum singularity, The engine was basically a dorm fridge. This is this same company that couldnt build their own freaking rifles after multiple attempts (Sig SG550 series) when that rifle had been made in Switzerland for years without issue. Frankly, I think that ship is the best looking sci-fi ship design ever, with the Excelsior a very close second. The Government mandated it to be made more safe to use and was. Yes, a lot of police officers only shoot when they have to for qual. But when you set a gun down on a table, and the damn thing goes off seconds after you let go, that sounds like a defective gun. Everyone remembers the problems the Beretta M9 had, but it got sorted and they went on to serve over 30 years. My trust for Sig stopped after they produced the beloved Sig556xi Russian. This subject has two prongs; One is the negligence of those who have shot themselves with 320s through violations of Rule 2, the other the possible mechanical design failing of the gun. The guys at the LGS saw only one broken striker but it confirmed what the manager who had the P320 go off and my thoughts. In a straight up Glock vs. Sig battle, the United States Marines chose Sig, and that was AFTER watching the P320 perform for four years. Remember the highly trained FBI officer whose gun went off in a nightclub? (It wasnt my gun). SIG just cannot seem to make a striker fired pistol that doesnt have issues. Its not happening on your person without some catastrophic event. L. LRRifleman . Excellent work. It was expensive. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0LUbLu6TqA, Simply put, the P320 is not safe and the lawsuits arent frivolous. Liberal, Conservative. You would have to conclude theres a problem with the product, not with the people., In the Nightline version, Bagnell says, Firearms are not subject to federal regulation. My elderly aunt drove her Volvo into a parked car, and the yard behind it, and the house behind that, while she was pressing the brake as hard as she could. Strangely the car kept accelerating, almost as if she were flooring the gas pedal. U.S. lawsuits The company didnt want to comment on any specific pending litigation for obvious reasons. That show with no Shatner-Kirk and only a Nimoy-Spock wouldnt have gotten past the first season. The Defiant regardless of who is the captain. A shame but then no one was hurt. The round went downrange so nobody was hurt. With Biden spending outrageous amounts of money, whats 100 million here or there?
Lawsuit: Sig Sauer pistol fired without trigger pull - Portsmouth Herald Note also that ABC didnt provide any context for the number of suits filed against SIG. Lastly, ship-wise I have to go with the TMP-era refit Enterprise, regardless of Captain. Milwaukee Police Report Issues With Sig P320's Discharging By Tom Knighton | 11:30 AM on October 30, 2021 AP Photo/Charles Rex Arbogast Several years ago, there was an issue discovered with the. Personally they should have gone with the Glock, its not for me but is a proven gun. Hey, Im glad theres somethings we agree on! The new guy sucks. They habitually use their customers as the product testers by selling what are essentially prototypes while quietly implementing rolling revisions. Where is this lightning striking twice?
PSA-P320 Accidental Discharge Threads | SIG Talk Yaaay! Alec Baldwin fatally shot a cinematographer and injured a director with a prop gun on the set of the film "Rust" and the distraught actor repeatedly asked afterwards why he . This website has been messed up all week so that might be the problem in replying. As they should. I dont own a P320. The second, longer version of the ABC story again included comments from Joshua Harrison, the consultant ABC hired to independently assess the P320. That is exactly why all civilized countries have Government Agencies that monitor companies that have a callus disregard for human life and are only interested in the quick buck. Cops are crap with guns, unlike me, a REAL pistolero! ABC ran their story on the P320 twice, but with some significant differences between the two reports. Remember the stupidity of the far right is infinite and the blind greed of the gun makers prove they could not care less about human life and suffering. Im reading about a moron who wraps a loaded firearm in a cloth and stuff it in a gym bag, and other dumb behavior that tells me the weapon isnt the problem but the user. Seems a bit apologetic to me. I have been purchasing and using Sig firearms exclusively for over 40 years. OR some gorilla with more brawn than brains ignored the 40lb trigger pull they suddenly had to break the tab. Ever since the internet went mainstream I have read about the Sigs decline. Aint been nothing but problems since the military dropped the 1911, what was it 85 year of trusted service? It has been flawless so far. ABCs own hired consultant, who appears to have no dog in these fights, asserted that he could find no reasonable explanation for these claims and that he considers the upgraded P320 pistols safe for sale to law enforcement and the public. I went to an outdoor public range with a local SWAT entry team leader. Second, every gun maker has made lemons in the past. Yesterday, a Canadian news outlet, CBC News, published a story regarding the unintended discharge last year of a SIG P320 by a Canadian Special Operator, resulting in injury and his unit withdrawing the pistol from service. Ironic that the trendsetters of yesteryear are trying to tear down the innovator of today because its Not perfected yet! and the Design isnt worked out!. That could happen easily. Capitol Police Officers Explanation for Shooting and Killing Ashli Babbitt Is Riddled With Problems, The City of Wichita Raked In Almost $200,000 Selling Seized Guns in the Last Five Years, State Judge Issues Order Blocking Enforcement of Illinois Firearms Ban Act Statewide, Federal Judge Grants Injunction Blocking Enforcement of ATFs Frame or Receiver Rule, Illinois Rep. Bob Morgan: Anything Stamped M&P is a Weapon of War, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-ZZ6pynGLM, https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/dea-agent-lee-paige-still-wont-go-away/, https://sofrep.com/news/dod-evaluation-says-armys-new-sig-sauer-p320-service-pistol-riddled-issues/, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0LUbLu6TqA, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsu6WsSQ2_g, https://millsentertainment.smugmug.com/William-Shatner-The-Wrath-of-Khan. There were a lot of changes. If the military was going to go cheap then they should have thrown Taurus into the mix. This is what happens when you go with the lowest bidder. The claimed mode of failure was that the tab on the drop safety that interferes with the striker movement had been sheered off and stopped being a drop safety. It SHOULD have more engagement width wise, but often doesnt due to things being rounded or out of square. Dont care for them, not my jam. Holding the striker fully cocked with nothing to block it if the sear fails is questionable at best. He takes your wallet and car and leaves the SIG. And people have a way of looking for ways to deflect blame for those discharges, especially when they stand to lose their job as a result. I was tempted to buy one at one time but no more. Maybe its a technical issue, maybe its a training issue. Quit blaming cops or the military, these guns have a serious problem.
Special Forces pulls new pistols from service after soldier - CBC The P320 Voluntary Upgrade Program is a SIG SAUER initiative to upgrade P320 pistols at no additional cost . Second, your claim that the military is dumping because theyre problematic? Have you ever put a handgun down with your palm in front of the muzzle? This is why we now have back up safeties on garden tractors and riding lawn mowers. The American manufacturer of the new pistols belonging to Canadas special forces claims the soldier wounded in an accidental discharge last fall was using the wrong holster for the weapon. Seems kind of like a Sig apologist article. There are tens of millions of gun owners, far more than there are cops, and the VAST majority of those folks buy their guns and drop them a nightstand drawer or up on a closet shelf and leave it until theyre needed. The more someone touches, loads, clears, cleans, holsters, un-holsters, or otherwise deals with their firearm, the higher the statistical likelihood that complacence kicks in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-ZZ6pynGLM Police officers (maybe) do an annual qualification and thats it. there is no better. The Moron engineer who decided to put that on the Glock should have been hung by his dirty balls. Face it, you paid far too much for a plastic gun. Pity that some of the most common reactions fall into two over simplistic categories: 1. Second, pardon us if were more than a little skeptical that the P320 in question or any other handgun fired when it was out of battery. Well I jumped in bed with ma and pa , told them that the devil was in Arkansas. I dunno if its a case of lowest bidders blues or what. The lawsuit, filed Wednesday on behalf of . It doesnt matter whether SIG is at fault or not. They wouldnt have adopted it if was. Bagnells and other lawsuits ABC claims at least 54 discharges and 10 suits against SIG describe instances of P320s going off dating back to 2016, prior to the upgrade. Neither argument is relevant or very intelligent and certainly not useful. Ive seen similar situations at our Municipal range. Both versions of the ABC report included comments from Officer Hiltons attorney, Jeffrey Bagnell, who said, Its not credible to claim that people with this amount of training, this amount of skill are all shooting themselves. But it also has much worse quality control on the parts in my experience owning and working on both. Quite frankly, a sizable number of the LEOs that go there, would benefit from a Gun Safety 101 class. Its also interesting that theres apparently no corresponding flood of civilian lawsuits against SIG with similar claims of guns going off, even though the public owns far more P320s than do law enforcement agencies. They did, however, note that when they were contacted by ABC, the company pointed out specific circumstances that were subsequently uncovered in the investigations of a number of these incidents. Hello perpetrators, Lee Paige is clearly the gift that keeps on giving though our buddy Hunter Biden is a close second! Everyone knows Glocks are the absolute pinnacle of perfection and have never had one single defect ever! Either the gun is defective or its not. The incident with the P320 - a contender for a major Canadian Armed Forces procurement of thousands of pistols and holsters that has a Aug. 3 deadline for industry proposals - occurred at JTF-2's Dwyer Hill training range just west of Ottawa. . Heres the version that ran Tuesday morning during the networks Good Morning America program . Theyve now come to the attention of the legacy media. 3. As to prong 2, there is a considerable difference between the mechanism of a 320 and, say, ones basic Glock, in that a 320 is fully cocked, whereas a Glock is half-cocked until the trigger is fully depressed, with the striker remaining locked by the striker safety plunger until that is released by a cam on the trigger bar. I sold that pistol when I got it back. 3. To put it simply, they are expensive cheaply made junk. First I have no problem with the Mk 25 or any other Sig thats metal. When a consumer product is likely to be operated in such a way that it causes accidents because it is way too easy to make a serious mistake because of human error when operating it the manufactures are told that the machine must be made safer. So the tally goes against the surrounding area, not against the gun free zone. But SIG Sauer said it has rectified the issue with upgrades, including one made for the U.S. military which court documents, filed as part of one of the lawsuits, show resulted in substantial changes to the weapons internal design. This reminds me of when Gretchen Carlson sued Fox News for sexual harassment and she got 20 million dollars. The U.S. manufacturer went a step further in its statement Friday, stating without evidence or attribution, that the timing of the article was intended to undercut its chances in the federal governments upcoming bid to replace all of the handguns in both the military and RCMP. If this were a car, a phone, a refrigerator, it would have been recalled long ago. The more someone touches, loads, clears, cleans, holsters, un-holsters, or otherwise deals with their firearm, the higher the statistical likelihood that complacence kicks in. This is the goal of those who would disarm us at the Post Office, as we take little Yevgeniy or little Shaquina to school, as we fulfill our civic responsibilities as jurors to judge our peers, as we travel to and through less free jurisdictions. SIG is choosing to litigate their problems away. The trigger bar has to push up on it, for it to release. It somehow moved to the hinges of the desk. You did get to sit and watch it with him, which leads to a serious question. The cheap seats were $100-$200 and you got to watch Wrath of Khan with Shatner. Anyway my question for $600 would be: Did you have your 3rd wife killed? The federal government intends to order up to 20,000 pistols for the military to replace its Second World War-era Browning Hi-Power handguns in a project that could be worth up to $50 million. Police officers do NOT get a lot of training unless theyre doing it on their own time at their own expense. saw the video, doesnt explain how it bypasses striker pin safety. . And have the dropping 320 go off? If the gangster greed monger criminal Capitalvanians in the gun industry had their products under the jurisdiction of the consumer safety administration all the newer striker fired guns would never have been allowed on the market unless they had manual safeties and a safe take down system. Contacted late Friday, a spokeswoman for special forces said the investigation is still ongoing and would not confirm the companys findings. He likens it to a bow-and-arrow, pulled taut. As a result, the P320s were withdrawn from service, leaving the JTF-2 with their older P226s. What a wonderful parody of a MAC cultist! I love when people call law enforcement officers highly trained. Most dont get more training than what they had in the academy unless they are getting paid time to train, or are going for something speciality such as S.W.A.T. Slowly people are realizing they arent the only ones having issues. The thing is, youd probably need to generate many Gs of force in both directions simultaneously. So your fanboy perjorative falls not only flat but false. Thats the same. to docile, too subtle, to contextual. That is the point of most of the video at the end of the article. Would you? Remember also that with a handful of notable exceptions, modern firearms do not just go off, no matter what is later claimed by those who may be held responsible. Especially since they farm it out to the lowest bidder. Sig Sauer P220 Super Match. Back in 2017, SIG instituted a voluntary upgrade program to replace the original production triggers with new enhanced triggers designed to fix the issue that we and others observed when the pistols were dropped onto hard surfaces. Not just police in US had issues with sig p320. So far I have only heard of one instance (post fix) where there was an ND and the post mortem on the gun demonstrating a mechanical failure. He is acting as a consultant in the Collette suit that was filed last week.
P320 Accidental Discharge Still an Issue : r/SigSauer - reddit When he opened the drawer the hinges pulled the Charters trigger. Someone is going to read this thread and be bewildered. By hoping Sig gets taken down for the P320, theyre actually setting up their own pet brand to be the next on the chopping block.
Sig P320 Accidental Discharge Problem - Topic He wanted TTAG to convey that hes pro-Second Amendment. At least the Gorilla is still evolving while the Far Right proved to be an evolutionary dead end, one of natures mistakes. Once word of that got out there was an avalanche of sexual harassment lawsuits against Fox news. 01:10. An x-ray (fluoroscope) of the mechanism in operation could show what, if anything, is happening inside the gun that might prove, or disprove, the contention that the gun is flawed. I would trust a hungry lion on the Serengeti plains of Africa more than I would a C.E.O. Glock's and Sig P320 are all designated as Double-Action-Only fire control mechanisms. The new Kirk does suck. Harrison responded, No, I dont think the upgraded version should be recalled, in fact I think the previous version should be recalled so that everyone has the upgraded version.. The second accidental shooting happened after police supervisors internally raised questions about the safety of the SIG Sauer P320. They simply have never been seen in the upper echelon of handgun makers, their entire business model is to offer cheaper guns at cheaper prices. Charlton posted to the online commercial forum Canadian Gun Nutz, describing the CBC News piece as inaccurate and promising SIG Sauer would release a statement. The design was incorporated from Bruce Grays trigger kit around the time of the original drop safety fix. The cost of settlements will be passed on to us. This highly trained Fibbie was doing flips while dancing (breakdancing? Have heard of no issues like the alleged gremlin caused spontaneous discharges of the P320 in other Sig models. The SIG will be the shortest military contract for guns in history. What it likely means is that cops and other law enforcement officers carry and handle their guns far more often than the average Joe or Jane.