If anything new would happen you would dbe the first one to know! This resonates with me. Hi WhitelotusI use both the Midpoint and the Davison charts in synastry. Hi annaMy feeling is that the word god is loaded, psychologically speaking. Should I pay attention to that or to our individual charts? One valuable lesson I learned is to refrain being attached to an outcome with him. I turned to astrology and within months I learnt a lot of things about this topic. Learn how your comment data is processed. I will always be exactly where I am now loving you. The lesson they teach is that we do not have to possess love in order to experience it. Do you think that is true? That I could be around someone and not feel uncomfortable. But i ran of him, i really dont understand why, it makes me feel so sad. Im blessed to remember some past lives weve had and we have definitely come together to mend some old wounds and learn to forgive and love one another. Are these water houses the culprits that keep pulling me back? We become real magicians if we can tap into it. . We are very romantic together and trust each other. Transit Pluto in the Composite 12th House. Our midpoint composit cannot show any true about our relationship. i give it much meaning because i really feel a psychic connection and a karmic fate, but again that could be just me since i have a heavy neptune but nothing in my natal 12th. VERY-VERY SORRY! Was our purpose to heal each other? Please forgive me, there are much to read and ask, Your inputs will be very much appreciated. WhiteLotus. We have experienced together so much and it helps my mental developement so much and also your idea about loving and letting go interests me a lot. We feel that very beautiful in our life! From what you said, it seems like perhaps these give the relationship an element of commitment, partnership, and longevity that it wouldnt otherwise have albiet in an unusual, community-oriented way. I am 38 years old and have a Scorpio 12th house stellium (Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, and Neptune) so I am painfully, and blissfully, intimately aware of this energy. I dont know whether this situation is karma? PS.. hes the very first guy I ever met who knew and talked about astrology! There is also a Mars in the 12th that doesnt get really any support from anything. Oh wow, Im glad to be reading this after the fact. Hello dawn I have read your response about 12th house and i really do agree with you. It has been a very long journey! Composite Neptune conjunct the angles (within 4 to 5 degrees) gives Neptune prominence in the relationship. Beginning to look at our Composite Chart and come to find a Moon and Mars Conjunction in Leo 12th House. The Anti-Vertex, on the other hand, is located in the opposite house of the Vertex (the 11 th , 12 th , 1 st , 2 nd , or 3 rd houses), which relate to personal concerns . The Pluto struggle with the ego and power will engage with the partners planetsin a positive way, the partner can become a guide. It doesnt matter. Everything you said is so on point. The composite chart is probably the best known. The inner planets are where we liveso yes, the 10th house stellium will have more influence on a day to day basis, and then once in a while the outer planets will come out to grab us with whatever their issues are, particularly by transit or progression to the stellium/12th. Sometimes the ego gets in the way of our path, whether through fear, resistance to growth, resistance to break old habits and personal tendencies, or through a lack of interest in what is wanted of us. etc. When the transit Moon is in the composite 12th house, you may want some alone time together, wanting to share feelings but only when alone and no one else is around. When transit Uranus is in the composite 12th house, you may make changes together but quietly behind the scenes, with no one watching. Jupiter in 1st house, Uranus in the 11th to bracket the party. Composite Sun in 1 st House. The part about unrequited love was particularly interesting and that other part might not know what we exist. The person with the most crowded 12th house in history is Ann Margret, a Swedish born actor best known for her iconic Easy Rider bike scene and starring in Viva Los Vegas alongside Elvis Presley. And I dont think you can fully understand Pisces without understanding its relation to Jupiter as well as Neptune. scares me a bit. Our physical connection was addicting. Just not what I wanted to hear. It feels that we are very free together than alone. . In my experience, the Davison chart reveals more of the day to day reality, and the midpoint chart reveals the inner working dynamic. Another concern is his Saturn and North node in my MC/IC and my Mercury/Mar (ruler of my 7th) in his Asc. By the way loved your above article and thank you for any info you provide : ) x, Thanks for writing this article. I cannot really make that happen now I dont know why but Im still thinking that he is my faith or not, everything is very confused. Struggling against our own unconscious is not an easy thing Besides, his vertex conjunct with my sun and oppose w/ my moon. Couples where the 12th is strong can often experiencewell, lets say itNeptunian weirdness. You need a synastry reading to make sense of all this. I like my husband as well after 20 years of marriage but I feel like I fell in this tragic love triangle story without asking for it! Lilith in 12th House, Black Moon Lilith In Twelfth House; 1 Angel Number, 1 Angel Number Twin Flame. Hi HGOf course, these articles cant contain every single exception, and the whole chart has to be taken into consideration. Definitely karmic and unbreakable. Everyone longs for melding and merging in relationship, but the truth is that separateness makes us interesting to one another. Now, you can either say its karma, or you can say that person A is psychologically hooking onto the archetype formed with person Bs chart, but whatever it is, it can be a very powerful pull. The 12th house really gives you an opportunity to see behind the veil in such a powerful and beautiful way, to understand not only our existence in this lifetime, but our collective reason and the inner workings of the universe itself and the karmic bonds that we have formed with soul family that have traveled this journey with us for many many lifetimes. I dont quite know what it all means but I like what you wrote here and will keep it in mind for future reference: [Couples with a heavy 12th house/ 6th house polarity have to find a way to put their wisdom to some practical use. The Uranus/Mercury conjunction in the composite can make the relationship more mental than physical. and then mars, Jupiter and neptune in the 2nd. I herd that the good connections between the 1st house rulers and 7 th rulers are so important an the good saturn aspects also. In the end it was his choice to end it. Find a way to bring the god down to the day to day world, so that it, too, is considered sacred. Mars is involved too, which would indicate that passion, anger and aggression can be triggered by the darker, more unconscious feelings that emerged when the . With Libra in 12th House, your past life may not be that pleasant. He eventually ended it because he was afraid wed go into a dark place with each other again- our relationship was very intense, and my insecurities and control issues combined with his youthful sloppiness are what destroyed it. Mysterious things attract you. Youre a poet of poets. And what does it mean our 12th. Tendency to become a victim; cult of mystery; exploration of the suffering of others. Do you think perhaps its just the heavily dominated 12th house of our composite chart thats responsible for my belief that we may be twin flames? They have an inner urge to help others but don't know how to help themselves or ask for support. . I still could love this man with his faults which I know he has but he is so caring and nice. thanks you very much Dawn to shed some lights on this! However, when I examine our composite chart, I was shocked. The North Node in the 12 th House - Synastry. We feel that very beautiful in our life! Saturn is the heaviest aspected planet in this composite, which actually reinforces the intensity of the Moon/Saturn-opposite theme from synastry. For instance I have a Composite Taurus Sun at 1-2 degrees in the 12th Conjunct Taurus Eros (also in the 12th at 4 degrees), and the Taurus Asc at 5 degrees. More, we have a 5 cluster Scorpio in 9 (Moon, Venus, Neptune, Jupiter and Mercury), a composite Sun in Sag in 10, with Pluto and Uranus conjunct in 7 and unaspectted Gemini NN in 4 we also have a lot of 6/12 house contacts in synastry and 21 conjunctions (far from being easy!) And 1 more thing HIS VENUS opposes my vertex and my sun, venus and mercury on his ASC conjucts his Venus! Lilith square . Please advise if we can make it to marriage or our relationship is doomed. Long story short it really bothered me that I can not tell him how I really feel about him because we are both ironically attending church but I felt that he really likes me as well. I still remember very clearly how I felt 10 years ago when I first met my former boyfriend. Since your Part of Fortune is in the 12th house of your birth chart, the sixth house is the opposite house. Talking about Fate! It was helpful all of your comments about the rest of composite houses and I say Thank you again for this This is where our own shadow meets the shadow of the collective. Also, if the relationship is not a good one, Sun conjunct Neptune is prone to self-deception and confusion at best and outright deception and betrayal at its worst. Thank you for your insight. Trust me when I say that I will happily take a man i am less connected to, to allow myself the support I need to thrive in this life. But thank you for helping me face reality. I feel ok about it but dont want to attach to it. To use Jeff Greens analogy, the ego believes it is an independent entity, but a developed ego is like a wave; it knows it is moving towards the shore, but it also knows that it will return to the ocean to which it belongs, the place of the Source or universal spirit. yeah, i think we didnt invest much efforts in getting/staying togetherhowever, when I tried to pursue more, I felt as if I was more needy and I cared more about this relationship, as his respose to my efforts was quite blank and gruff. Our Composite Sun, Mercury, Venus, Mars and Jupiter are in the 12th, Gemini. My mars falls in his 12th and his moon falls in my 12th. When composite Lilith is placed in the eighth house of the composite chart, this makes the relationship between the two people very intense. I wouldnt say that one is more important than another. Im glad youre enjoying it. In Our composite chart Sun, Mercury, Venus, Jupiter and Chiron in the 12 house. We have Sun, Mercury, Venus, and Uranus in the 12th house in our composite chart. I had to spend years unlearning what love is to me and settle with how individuals differ in what we value in a relationship. Great gifts are possible if that Saturn is respectedthe power of manifesting energy into form. His 12th is in Pisces, along with his Sun, Mercury, Venus and Mars. You need to work on bringing body and mind together, as a couple. My husband and I, have composite Saturn 27 Pluto 28 Libra in 12th, forming a T square to our Sun 26 Cancer and Venus 19/Mercury 23 Capricorn. I have to come to grips with it (what you said) altough it is not an easy thing for me when it comes to love (being an Aries lol I want to love with a passion and not just except it as an idea). 08.05.20. Only his Juipter is in the 12th, I have no planets there but also we both also have ceres and lilith in the 12th. I was immediately flooded with emotion- I realized all at once how intensely close to him I was and needed to know if he was ok, etc. There is a lot of love between us, much alignment in our dreams and life goals and a feeling of being soul mates and yet a strange disconnect emotionally that has us often feeling like we are on completely different wavelengths. I dont want to lose this relationship too so I would like to help me to find out the karmic lesson. The In synastry, his Pluto is in my 12th conjunct my ascendent tightly, and I have nothing in his 12th. It also governs much, much more, however. What should i do? Please your opinion. By the way, in progressions, you very clearly see the influence of both planets at work. Much of the time, putting faith in one another brings you joy. "Composite Chart, Midpoint- method (2)". The diurnal chart's house cusps will also conjunct progressed and directed planets throughout the year and can mark significant days. Beautiful article!! In our composite chart, Mars in 12th house Cancer square MC conjunct Mercury(10th) and the Sun, Venus(9th) & Mars square IC conjunct Saturn and Pluto(3rd). If you dont like how someone operates, who cares how connected you are to them? I really appreciate your take on the 12th house; it definitely resonates as true, from my experience. Thanks so much Dawn. I thought that because of the 8th house or vertex, I forced him to confront his own dark side. He didnt want to commit/marry. Those of us with composite 12th emphasized will be asked to step away from the mundane and step into the world of the extraordinary, where unlikely connections are day to day things. In the composite chart, the composite 12th house can show what may be hidden in the relationship, what may play out subconsciously in the relationship, the karma of the relationship, and what needs to be let go of. .why is neptune conjunct sun so bad in composite? Its hard for me to stop dreaming about this person. But also to wound each other? In general, a composite Jupiter in the second house makes a couple value a life lived on the grandest scale possible. Pluto, Sun, Venus & Mercury in the 12th/Virgo. I have a 12th house Capricorn stellium and my husband and I also have a composite 12th house Capricorn stellium. This makes so much sense. Moon and Mars both Trine Uranus. (We also have some 4th and 8th house synastry with me as the planet person, and 3 planets in the composite 4th). Arent these positive aspects good enough to sustain a relationship down-to-earth, telling me to forgive and try again or just simply blowing the matter worse and prolonging it?. We all find our gods where we can and must. It is not so much a question of choice, more that the universe has chosen for them to be together (at least, thats what it feels like). Im sorry to hear your story. Saturn, NN, and Sun exact at 28 degrees, opposite Chiron Rx in Cancer. *Composite Chiron conjunct Moon in Taurus in 12th house. I feel so relieved after reading it because I really thought i was crazy. In Hebrew tradition, Lilith was Adam's first wife. While separated from his girlfriend and in the final stages of breaking it off with her, we had several secret liaisons- more 12th house. Conjunct the composite 1st House cusp, it can be difficult to separate mutual fantasy from reality regarding the identity of the relationship. I was with him longer than Ive ever consecutively been with someone- 1 1/2 years. I dont know why but i love him so much and sometimes I come up with things like dreaming of him to call me after a while he calls me. The 12th house is the culmination of all that has come before itits our last chance, our last ride, and planets there can often go to extremes without knowing why (they can blame it on the limitless nature of Pisces, which respects no boundaries). How does the 12th manifest when the planet is also conjunct the Asc? Thank You very much for Your answer and very best regards from Hungary again! In other words, that planetary energy might have to do with dealing with their collective, rather than personal, expression. My life seems to cycle in and out of being able to bring that 12 house/Neptune energy into the everyday world. You can imagine the past 10 years have not been easy. Venus in 12th House Man. Wow, everything in this article is so accurate + written so beautifully. Dear Dawn, thank you for this amazing article. Hello, Skye. It doesn't have to be a breakup. Looking at the chart, it seems to be propelling us into Aquarius, and Aquarian age type of love. We still keep in touch as just friends occasionally, and sometimes I feel like I am having conversations with him in my head. The relationship only lasted a few months but for some reason it has left a deep-seated, soul-touching impression with me. Thank you SO very much for this post. Venus/Uranus is difficult in the composite, but it doesnt explain your obsession. You can use this to your . HI, Sign up here if you would like to know when Dawn's Foundations e*book will be made available, The Composite Chart and the 12th House: The Ghost at the Door. Its not special, its common. Or ? WhiteLotus. Its more complex than just the composite positions. Emotional Suppression. My concern is a grand trine in the composite chart, Mercury/Jupiter/Venus all conjunct in the 1st (pisces) trine Moon/North node conjunct in the 5th (cancer) and Neptune the chart ruler in the 9th (Scopio). Im trying to determine the karmic lessons we need to learn from this. We challenge each other to be the best versions of ourselves. Ninety-three percent of her astro is in the 12th: the Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Lilith, Jupiter, Saturn, and Uranus. Everywords pounding in me. There are 12 houses of Nessus divided according to the sun signs, such as the rst house belongs to Aries, the second house to Taurus, and so on. The Composite Sun Through the Houses. what do you think it means to have such much weight in the 1st and 12th houses? great post- thank you! I retire in one year and will be living 20 miles from him. The house is famous for being the house of self-undoing, but it can also be the house where we find our fame and fortune. but the composite chart provides the critical information of where a relationship is going and what are its advantages and disadvantages? 13 . A very painful and challenging connection. You may keep your feelings for each other to yourselves, not feeling safe expressing them for whatever reason. venus+mars, etc. What you said about compo Sun/Neptune is very interesting Please I would like to know Dawn,according to you it is important to notice what this compo Sun/Neptune conjuncts in each individual charts, to determine more precisely how each person is going to feed this confusing Sun /Neptune by his/her personal points .? Regine. However, it's recommended to do an individual birthchart analysis before analyzing the Synastry to see the personal needs and potential for maintaining a healthy relationship. People who fight for justice for others often have Juno prominent in the chart. Oh the powers of the 12th house. Reply. mars is trine composite sun, pluto, uranus jupiter and neptune- but square moon saturn. If you have Lilith in the 12 th house of your chart, her themes will manifest in terms of isolation, the shadow, and limitation. All that subconscious provoking of each other is very much a full time job and its preventing me from being successful in life and meeting a man that can offer the support i need to really fly. I found composite Saturn on the 12th house, trining the composite Sun/Venus/Merc on the 8th and sextile to the Moon on the 2nd. Besides synastry, the twelfth house in a composite chart can also be telling when it comes to karmic relationships. Lilith in the 3rd House: Those with Lilith in the 3rd house may have a dark sense of humor, be into alternative or shocking entertainment & literature, while they have the capability of being fantastic liars. In my natal I have mars and mercury in 12th house Gemini. What do you think? thank you for this article, im really having a hard time understanding the 12th house, as you concluded we all do.. and i dont know why, this last paragraph brought a tear to my eye.. because its so true, so well said. do you have any clue of what this means or should i just ignore it? mercury and mercury conj. With the composite 12th house in Aries, it may be difficult at times for you to take initiative together when needed, and instead that kicks in when youre moving together subconsciously. The lower expression has to be elevated, and the higher expression needs to be realized. If the Composite Sun is in the 1 st House, there will be a focus on this relationship. My question is this: Does our Sun/Mercury conjunction in the 12th composite necessarily have to mean we are destined to learn a particular lesson and then part? we have stellium-sun, venus, mercury in 12th house-composit chart(aries), mars in 11th house, moon in 6th, uran retrograde and pluto retrograte in 5th, jupiter retrograde and neptun retrograde in 7th house, south node conjuct regulus in 4th hause, vertex conjuct DC, saturn in 1th house. This man can be my everything and this feeling will not change. We had an instant connection, and I ended up in his apartment the first night we met. We also have composite venus in the 12th house. Its also trine to the moon and sextiling Uranus. My sympathies. or sth. We met 3 months ago, and live 300 miles apart. IF THIS IS NOT A TRAGIC LOVE STORY THAN WHAT IS? I am a Sag with moon (12th house) and rising both in scorpio. I loved you from the first moment and that has never changed.) In the 10 years, he (who had been separated from his wife when we first met) went back to his wife, I got engaged to someone else but broke it off realizing I do not love my fiance, reconnected as just friends, and I eventually married someone else, with his blessings. Sun conjunct Neptune is a very difficult thing to live with in a composite chart. The empty space you decribe has me under pressure most days. Indeed, I felt the fear trampling along the edge with fear of insecurity. (Were married 16 years, and now we are old!) i am deeply hurt but I am not angry with him. Like individuals with 12th house planets, couples with a lot of twelfth house may feel that there is something fated about their lives together. I really love this article its very beautifully written and bittersweet, but anyone with a natal 12th house venus and venus in pisces has walked these roads. I cannot be happy with him (I feel happy but it doesnt last any longer) or without him. Im also sorry to say that trines arent all theyre cracked up to besometimes they just pour energy into whatever else theyre aspecting, in this case, the major square. (I have my moon in Scorpio in the 12th house along with Saturn and Pluto). I really feel like there is a wolf howling in a forest at night and I hear his call , I know I am the female wolf and that the call is for me and I have to go to him now. Women may stay because they think, how the heck am i going to find a man Im this connected to? I would like to help you, but you would need a full analysis of the charts to know what is going on with this 12th house energy. The fatedness of it all doesnt make sense at times, like union of the subconscious. (Our North Node rulers often lead us down these blind alleyways.) His venus also opposed my Lilith in XII., his Pluto also trine my lilith in XII. So much uncertainty and confusion!! The working dynamic of the partnership is in the biwheel (how do you make me feel?) I fell onto another man after that whom I had a very deep dark sexual connection to and whom I shared a heavy 8th composite chart with. We have (taurus) mars-venus conjunction on the 12th house and it is so real in our life: we need so strong the deep intimacy and the so close physical and spiritual nearness together, and it is better for us to be alone together for our happiness. They seem bonded before a word is spoken. When your North Node is in the 12th house of your partner's natal chart, you will help the 12th house native become more spiritual and grow as a person. I need help! Then you have to put the natal charts around the composite, and there are a number of other techiques depending on what questions are asked: coalescent charts, draconic charts, etc. But exploring worlds during sex, soul bonding, feeling understood at a deep level, feeling at home in the spirit of the world, higher purpose together, channeling together, these are all things ive felt with my boyfriend and our 12th house energies. In my opinion the midpoint composite is not really true, because our midpoint chart doesnt show the very intense physical love what we live together. Required fields are marked *, Notify me of followup comments via e-mail. !.the telepathy is overwhelming me. Thank You for Your answer and best regards from Hungary! Aghh! such is the nature of the 12th, beautiful and terrible.! Neptune is also in the 12th, but hanging back a bit and squaring Neptune- yikes. What you are fascinated by is your own longing to acknowledge and feel this power. It's so "behind scenes" that it freaks me out. When synastry presents itself on the Pluto/Node conjunction, the partner to the Pluto person will instigate growth, either from a negative or positive stimulus. (anyone who has ever fallen in love and had planets with that person in 12th composite will know..). They help us understand that our capacity to love is its own reward. *And in Synastry- My Chiron RIsing (asc in Taurus) sits in his 12th house) Composite The relationship is deep and beautiful and in periods hard for us to be with each other. Its impossible to do one without composites or progressed composites. Mine is conjunct with his moon. They might not be opposed to using under-handed tactics in order to receive information or get what they desire. Lilith in the Twelfth House of Astrology (Explained) June 3, 2022 by Wisdom Tavern. Is it possible that 2 people with so much 12th/water house activity; both within synastry and composite, there is any hope for them to just be normal and happy together without karma or something else getting in the way? We go down a lot of wrong alleyways. In our synastry chart, we also have exact Chiron/Venus opposition. I loved him from the bottom of my heart. There is still a sense that anything can happen though, very unpredictable energy. This guy in my life puts Libra venus in my 12th (conjuncting my own Libra venus in 12th). This last chance element, sadly, often leads us to relationships that are destined to exist only to fix this thingwhen the lesson is learned, both these people move on. Is this why I am feeling this more? I might even say hes one of the closest people to me. All that positive Saturn synastry for durablilty, moon conjunction, and all those personal planet oppositions make us feel like the same person sometimes. He knows me better than I know myself at times. Im also interested in anything about twin flame relationships. Please can someone find me some positive end result here because I have not too much hope after reading that article aboyt the 12 house and I am going insane because I can not really tell anyone what is going on in my life> (husband, kids or even him)I do not want to hurt anybodys life but that means I have to give up my love which is just to hurtful to do! We went through hell together, we loved each other, we saved each other, we saved others together, we could practically feel and read one another. The synastry can show the true about our relationship, and the Davison also but less than synastry, but the Composite chart can show almost nothing. Gilly. They feel invisible or alone. Sometimes walking around with him is just like being in a movie, which is funny because we ARE in a movie together- one he is making with his best friend. What of mother-daughter pairs? (One expression does not contra-indicate the other.). This can happen in composites of unrequited love, where one person loves another who doesnt know he or she exists. 1) Planetary house overlays (1, 5, 7, 8, 9 = most important) 2) Planetary aspects. and he JUST asked me to lunch yesterday. It's time for the wave to return to the ocean. I have 12th house with my partner, but also many Saturn and Pluto Aspects. When the transit Sun is in the composite 12th house, you may not give as much attention to the relationship, and instead a light is shone on things that have been hidden to the two of you. We have a composite Pisces Ascendant (3) with a Pisces Saturn in 12 conjunct Ascendant. They represent different aspects of a relationship. Oftentimes, once we surrender to the powers of the 12th house, our lives are transformed by meaning, because those unlikely connections have brought us a wisdom beyond our time together. Looking forward to taking more classes with you in the future. You cant really know how an aspect is going to manifest without looking at the whole chart, but it is true that conjunctions from the 12th house side are very complex.
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