J.R. Ritchie, RHP 3. I was down there for that last Mets series and all I heard was silence from the Mets fan base Sunday night. Strider averaged 13.8 strikeouts per nine innings - best in the big leagues - while posting an 11-5 record, 2.67 earned run average, and 202 strikeouts in 131 2/3 innings. Thats more than any other team in baseball. Say it once, see it 4-5 times. But how good is this example? Most pitchers do that. 3.04 ERA 8.7 K/9. I dont always disagree w/you. The Braves' 2022 season has been nothing short of impressive. When you visit any web site, it may store or retrieve information on your browser, mostly in the form of cookies. Definitely one of the best pitchers in the game but when it truly matters he crumbled. Signed thru 2028, 6 yrs/$75M (23-28) & 29 team option, Service Time (01/2023): 1.003 Spencer Strider baseball stats with batting stats, pitching stats and fielding stats, along with uniform numbers, salaries, quotes, career stats and biographical data presented by Baseball Almanac. Command was an issue at times in the minors and early in the season, but Strider markedly scaled back on the number of free passes he yielded as the season wore on, finishing out the year with an 8.5% walk rate that was scarcely north of the league average. Imo, hes got the Braves over a barrel because they have absolutely no in house alternatives to replace him. Lets go Juan Soto. That is less than average, but in line with some long term deals for FA. Considering Burnes won a Cy Young and has had a microscopic ERA for three straight seasons with a career FIP of 2.85, thats probably the 85 percentile of Strider reaching his potential, IF you buy into one season of work and think hes a generational pitcher. I told them but they didnt listen to me. Agree MFF. Name those Braves fans who felt that way. It made them woke enough to move the all star game, but now they are ok? Would an arbitrator just look at a base salary as the springboard for a raise, or would they consider the bonuses as part of the salary when making those decisions? As a Yankee fan, Im much more resentful of the Yankees keeping their YES Network off of all of the streaming services except Direct TV. They are paying $44 million max for both years and its likely that a single season of a TOR starter in 5 years will cost close to that much. I could be mistaken on this because I dont follow the Braves as closely as you all do; but it seems to me that part of this is AAs (or Braves) intent on establishing the players relationship through goodwill too for the future. Just a cup of coffee at the ML level. Very much doubt it. He could easily see $17m, 2om after this down year, then 28m. In terms of his personal life, he is in a relationship with Maggie, a young and lovely girl. Its not if Strider has TJ surgery, but when he will have it. LOL best rookie season ever. Peacock Sunday morning gamessome without announcers; Apple TV Fri night games). The Marlins are one of the furthest teams from elite in the MLB. Strider is now expected to join the Braves Opening Day roster in 2022. Position players tend to be better values when extensions are considered, especially in terms of injury risk. But thanks to you I now have another person on my mute list. Players dont sign team friendly controls anymore (Jose Ramirez says youre wrong). Many historical player head shots courtesy of David Davis. That is just temporary. On the surface it seems like the Braves have made several excellent long-term deals with young talent. Again, he IS a Super Two. Spencer Strider had 202 strikeouts last season and 202 strikeouts over his career. In reality though, they dont have too b/c some are just that damn team friendly. Lets say Strider goes to every All-Star game for the next 6 years, wins two Cy Young awards, finishes top 10 every other season, and avoids injury. Had the Yankees given Miguel Andujar the same treatment after the 2018 season, we would be having a completely different discussion. Cole has stated since he was in UCLA that he was a Yankee fan and wanted to be in pinstripes when he grew up, he was even drafted by the Yankees and chose college ball, but said it was a tough choice and hoped hed end up there eventually. Hes a big union guy. . Hes been healthy for 3 straight years. You dont pay max arb prices to save $8M. Strider is represented by Frontline. I cannot wait for the Braves/Phillies series to start in a few hours. These deals take trust on both sides. Strider was 11-5 with a 2.67 ERA in 31 games this season. The Book: Playing the Percentages in Baseball, Salaries may not be complete (especially pre-1985) and may not include some earned bonuses. But blowing a 7 1/2 game lead on August 7 and losing 6-7 to the primary opposition is absolutely a choke job. You also dont know whether he took the extension in order to lock up significant money, as a hedge against injury, or because he and his agent wanted to advance pitcher salaries for others. Thats the point but take it personal. 11h. He would have extended him for 10 years/$200m. Who caes about Story and Baez past anyway? Lets not get silly and act like the Braves ran away with it and were disrespected. The Braves said Tuesday they would push back Strider's next start in the hopes of avoiding a trip to the IL. Cant believe how many time the site posts the same comment. Its a win-win. Anyone who signs Judge will definitely regret that deal in a couple years! Explain to me the worth in that? Now lets say you call Ticketmaster and they tell you that you will get one of the four tickets, but you dont know which one until you get to the ball game. This is how a Mets fan copes with his team getting bounced lmao. The Braves have no SS prospects at the upper mil levels. 2 things: As usual, i was right. He is doing well in his personal life as well. He actually has only three days in 2021, so hell be close to the bottom of his class. Atlanta already arguably boasted the best cost-controlled core of any team in baseball over the next half decade, and adding Strider to the preexisting quintet of Harris, Olson, Riley, Albies and Acuna only furthers their case. Let them trade him to the Cardinals for Micheal Mcgreeve then if thats how you feel. somewhere in the 100-115 range over 6 years. pic . Logos were compiled by the amazing SportsLogos.net. I expect the Braves are going to go to Dansby and say Dansby, you see what were trying to do here. And And. And no, he does not get credited with two years of service time for this year because he spent the whole year on the major league roster AND was a ROY finalist. TO make the math easy lets just say by 20%. Two east coast teams in ATL/PHI with two west coast teams in LAD/SD pretty much guarantees youre going to go in this order. Inigo Montoya: You keep using that term, Super Two. It doesnt mean what you think it means. Braves fans are setup extremely well. Because he is going to be in top 2 of ROY voting which gives him an extra year of service time. Does he hit enough to play left field? While I suppose they are blacked out on MLB.tv, but then you can just watch them on Apple TV instead. It assumes continued success after only 130 IP in the majors, it assumes zero regression, it assumes increase arb records at every level, it assumes higher investments on pitchers which is trending away from that since all starters are facing TJ surgery at least once in their career. Braves should stay as far away from Correas mercenary thoughts (and bad back) as possible. If another team over values him based on his 2 week debut, the Braves should deal him. Really? Spencer Strider made last year. Both Story and Baez are much better players. Not a smart bet. Looking more immediately down the line, the Braves already have $153MM on next years payroll and nearly $110MM on the 2024 payroll. Are you trying to evade someone or are you incapable of understanding the difference between elude and allude. Strider joined Atlanta's rotation near the end of May and still ended up striking out 202 batters over 131 2/3 innings, becoming the only pitcher in MLB history to record at least 200 strikeouts with fewer than 135 innings. The net effect of them not manipulating his service time is that they get an extra draft pick as per the new CBA. if they wait another year or two before extending him, they would have to add another 20-30 million on this extension for him to even consider it if he continues to perform anywhere close to this level. Theyll probably lose even more money on those years than they gain with the discount on the one or two free agent years, which probably would only be worth $30M max per season even if everything goes mostly right for him. He was on the major league roster all season. I mean, kudos to the Braves for being aggressive and theyre certainly taking on risk of injury / under-performance, but seems some of the extensions the players have signed seem light. Strider finished this year with a year and 3 days of service time. Walk rate down to a career low while his K rate is basically at a career high. He will fall off before he ever gets those record numbers. Strider is a lock to be Top 2 in ROY voting which gives him an extra year of service time. To be totally honest, its not the least bit justifiable in any light. Worst case for Strider is close to what happened with Charlie Morton this year, and guess what? Prior to this deal, the five-year, $35MM contract Madison Bumgarner signed with the Giants more than a decade ago stood as the record extension for a pitcher with between one and two years of service time. If the Braves can reposition themselves as Americas Team once again, all that peach juice will come flowing back. The Yankees seem to be possibly the least fan-friendly franchise in baseball. 6/120 is light, based on his defensive floor. Similar thing happened last year when LAD needed to replace Corey Seagers offense by sliding Muncy over and signing Freeman at half the price. I am sure that actuaries worked hard. Mets 6986: Three days at seasons end and 2.1 innings pitched by Strider in 2021. Props to the AA coaching staff. Had they manipulated his service time and he was a ROY finalist hed get credited with a full year of service time and the Braves would get no draft pick. Braves may as well just blow past the tax. Id be shocked if Strider made more than $45 mil over the next 5 years in total if we let this all play out. Strikeouts have the highest correlation with statistical fall off. Buying out those arbitration years is key to these deals imo. Why to constant trashing of the Mets when both teams won 101 games. Use without license or authorization is expressly prohibited. Revenue in baseball is going up and salaries will also. Was hoping this thread would continue without trolls insulting one another instead of adding actual substance to their argument. Brilliant. Strider will qualify for Super Two, so he will get 4 years of arbitration and if next season is close to 2022 then its going to be between the current first year arb record for a starting pitcher of $9.5 million and Bellingers $11.5 million figure. Frieds totals so far are $3.5M, $6.85M, and a potential $12.2M, which is $22.5M in arbitration through three passes at this point. Who doesnt believe that the Tigers have serious buyers remorse on Baez? Im curious how the bonuses would impact arbitration. To my point, if we arent sure Friend and Burnes will make $27.5M, why would anyone guarantee it to a rookie with next to no track record, when the over is so little. What about Georgias racist voting rights? I disagree. A Super Two is in the top 22 percent (in terms of service time not performance) of all players in their service class during the offseason that they have at least 2 but less than 3 years of service time. In 2021, he threw 94.0 total innings in stints with nearly every Braves MiLB team and added 2.1 with the big league squadhe and Dylan Lee made their Major League debuts on the same day last. They have a big part of their core locked up for years and have set themselves on the path to being contenders for the next five years minimum. Does AA hypnotize these guys agents when theyre in the waiting room? Hes most likely looking at something similar but a little less than what Bogaerts signed for. Prior to his MLB career, he played for minor league teams such as Augusta GreenJackets, Rome Braves, Mississippi Braves, and the Gwinnett Stripers. Reward thing. Yeah, then every utility bench player with a heart of gold should make $10-15M a year. Born: If you want to be a continuing part of this Braves dynasty, youll need to give us a discount. Its an expensive extension by prior standards, but as I noted in the finalized version of our breakdown, the prior standards were beyond antiquated. Who are the Braves going to play at SS the 25% plus of the time Correas on the bench w/his bad back? From pursuing his hobbies to rebuilding his arm action and. Atlanta Braves rookie pitcher Spencer Strider had himself a day against the Reds on Saturday - he struck out 11 hitters in just six innings of work and got the win to improve to 4-2 on the. If you wait a year or two and he continues to pitch well, then his pricetag doubles. The earliest Strider could have been arb eligible was after 2024. Plus, he didn't love being so young and already dependent on medication for daily life. They also made a couple great trades getting future star players that wear near MLB ready (Dansby/Fried). Braves fans awoke on Monday looking forward to learning more about Striders health and potential availability during the NLDS. So with that logic, lets use his first two years of arbitration to show how much of an overpay the Strider deal is because Ohtani only got like $8.5M for year 1 and 2, with him being a full-time hitter as well. You are making a lot of wild assumptions. I expect to see him elsewhere next year. Doubt the Sox are much happier w/Story, but Red Sox fans would know much more about that than I do. Clemson's top freshman in 2018, but missed 2019 due to injury returned in 2020 as a weekend starter had one of the hardest fastballs on the team was both a long reliever and starter three-time ACC Academic Honor Roll member in 63.0 innings pitched over 26 appearances (10 starts) and two active seasons, he had a 5-2 record . I really hope Dansby is extended and I think he will (hes a local guy and by all accounts loves being a Brave). Brilliant! His great year does not guarantee future success as he has not sustained it for nearly long enough. The Braves stepped up and want Morton to do it again, for $20m. I imagine that will be Soto and Boras target, yeah. He definitely cant play 2B, and doubt hes any better at SS. No Gavin Lux -- big problem. That means $36 million for each of the two seasons. The estimates above are crazy. I guess writers should just pick the Braves for ten years because they won a World Series with a 88 win season. Dont see how it could be an issue. . Im doing the same at the end of October. Hes been a great pitcher so far, but he still really only has two pitches. Draft Strider will make $1 million each of the next two seasons and $4 million in 2025. In the past couple of years, they built a brand new stadium and spring training facility. Confirmation bias confirms nothing but poor process. Especially not when youre right, lol. If the Braves pick up that net $17MM option for the 29 campaign, Strider will earn a total of $92MM over seven years. Theres risk for sure, but if AA is doing it (hes been notoriously risk-aversive since arriving) Im giving him the benefit of the doubt. If they would have waited to sign him for two years, it wouldve made less than a $10M difference in his contracts at most, but it would have given the team an extra $20M to spend before hitting the cap. If he continues to play as h did in his rookie season, he would absolutely be at the top of the scale. Must be a great place to play if they can get all these young guys to sign for long term. (Machado can opt out of his deal with the Friars after next year, so the Padres 2028 commitments may not end up being quite so large.) Theyve got Fried under control through 2024.
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