Vezi mai multe de la Sunny Govan Memories pe Facebook. This work was focused on parent-child. The main point of the Presentation was that, in an area which had lost 80% of its population (between 1951 and 2001), the re-zoning of demolished housing areas for warehousing and offices meant that there was less chance of people coming back into the area to live, as houses were needed in these areas and not anonymous commercial barns and offices. With its bad name, many people from Moorepark could not get jobs while those that could often disguised their addresses and, if they a they moved away because of its bad reputation Gradually, the decrease in services, coupled with, a by now high turnover of tenancie let house, led to the accretion of demoralised families coming into the scheme and all the stories about Moorparks good-for-nothing population seemed to be justified. So, has Glasgow and other cities always been in the hands of comprehensive planners who take an overview of all the parties involved? Our father would be home right before we had to leave for school, so he would take us as it was not safe to cross Langlands Rd., Unfortunately, the week before Christmas in 1943, our grandfather was killed by a bus right at the Vogue cinema. I spent a lot of time at my granny's while growing up I remember we used to get payed for watching the cars when there was a game on at Ibrox. Living Dangerously in Govan by James McDonald. It is in this context that he placed the above paragraph at the very forefront of his book From Moorepark to Wine Alley, The rise and fall of a Glasgow housing scheme, and it is also for the same reasons that this section of the Braendam Link Report investigates housing (especially in Glasgow), its problems, and how they could be solved by community planning. who until March 2014 played at Tinto Park (Drumoyne) then moved to the adjacent New Tinto Park. Clyde News. Great memories. Been looking at the old pictures of Govan and wondered if anyone remembers my father's Chemist/Optician shop at Govan Cross near Helen St, 830 Govan Road. on our backs to the midden motor outside the closes or houses where we worked. See more of Sunny Govan Memories on Facebook. I remember a little dog who was hit by a car and people brought him straight in to us. Lifts were often out of order; maintenance of the blocks was negligible while the area surrounding the tower blocks was allowed to turn into a muddy, rubbish-strewn wasteland. I met him at our place of employment. Everyone used our street for roller skating, we called it thd smoothie! [30] British Shipbuilders' sale of Govan to the Norwegian firm was completed in 1988, and the yard was renamed Kvaerner Govan. In its turn, this attitude helped create the malignant tales about people who lived there as being nothing but thieves, layabouts and drunks. Drug and alcohol abuse was a widespread problem and unemployment stood at 30% - three times the national average. Now offering wine & beer by the glass! Naw, he was told, but we have a wee boy in the back. I went to Hills Trust primary and can remember having to sit my 11 plus exam and passed by the skin of my teeth (lots of mental arithmetic). Below are memories and stories about Govan posted by visitors to the site. We do not pre-moderate or monitor readers comments appearing on our websites, but we do post-moderate in response to complaints we receive or otherwise when a potential problem comes to our attention. Also used to go for a bath there even though we had a bath at home. Our children and grandchildren have been back many times as well. Memory says it was painted red but I might be wrong. Dry Docks Cafe. Wine Alley by Colin Quigley. Lived in Georgia where our second daughter was born, and then onto Texas, and now living in California. Teddy boys jumped on little bike and broke it. However, as little seems to have changed in the last 30 years does this mean that at last, local communities are to be involved in making decisions about their futures? In sum, effective participatory urban management calls for a fundamental rethink from all the players involved, from the local authorities and development agencies, through local (and sometimes international) non-governmental organisations, to the community-based organisations themselve; in redefining their roles and relationships, if something is to be done for the benefit of all. My grandmother's name was Mary Murray she had eight children one being my mother Helen who was born in 1927. Several hotel chains have moved in while both BBC Scotland and STV have their studio complexes there. I screamed blue murder, he wanted to pull my pants down, but no way I letting him do that to me. It was only a community concerted campaign, (which included a long rent strike) waged by the various groups of residents, that the Glasgow District Council agreed to re-house all of the remaining tenants. Former. Govan's earliest recorded name may be found in the Historia regum Anglorum attributed to Symeon of Durham. The origins of the Doomster Hill are a mystery. My mother, Elsie Walker lived with siblings; Edward, Betty, Beatrice and Edith in Belch Street, it was a small street with only one close and not one single Govan person I have ever met can remember it! ', "1881 England Census, The London Charterhouse, St Sepulchre Without, London, p.6 RG11/344", "University of Glasgow:: Story:: Biography of Jimmy Reid", "Aircraft and Shipbuilding Industries Act 1977 (c. 3) Schedule 2 Shipbuilding Industry", Govan Maps 1857-1934, National Library of Scotland, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Govan&oldid=1127691800, Wikipedia articles incorporating a citation from the 1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica with Wikisource reference, Short description is different from Wikidata, Articles containing Scottish Gaelic-language text, Articles with MusicBrainz area identifiers, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, This page was last edited on 16 December 2022, at 03:51. : Gwovan[3]? I was born in Broomloan Road by the pot heid (TSB) bank which is still there. Introduction In 1975 the sociologist Sean Damer went to live for six months in Britain's most notorious housing scheme, Moorepark, or as it was known to all The Wine Alley' of Govan in Glasgow. Although we were all poor, I knew that I could go to any door, ask for a piece, and get it. That is why this Reflection will critically examine the Moorepark experience (within the context of community planning) from before Darners time to the 1970s and the present, where it will question if there have been any real changes in attitudes between then and today or worse, are the same mistakes being repeated, and is proven good work being ignored? Young Young Winey (Govan) (G51) (Moorpark) 'Republican Wine Alley' . Editors' Code of Practice. Anyone remember the prego cafe and who ran it? I think he lived in Partick and had 2 little girls. Playing out in the street with our whip and peeries my sisters and friends would have contests to see who could chalk their peerie with the best colour design. Govan railway station opened on 2 December 1868. Every Christmas I was given a big pile of unsold comics and one day the woman gave me a bob - 12 big penny coins that filled my hand. It was a beautiful building and I would have thought that the powers that be could have used it for something. The locals in Govan fear that gentrification is making its way in, in the face of community objections.15 It occurs in the buyers market where access to housing is based on the ability to pay, and it also takes place in the council allocation system where the disadvantaged are lumped together in sink housing schemes. Glasgow Green Flagstones at Jocelyn Square in front of the McLennan Arch inform us that this was the site of public executions in the city until 1865. There, two local cops came up with the idea of using several of the houses to keep a 24-hour watch on the gang. Thus, the major failing of any community planning is its inability to understand this relationship between the community and authority in detail and in an objective manner. We love it here, but still go back to Scotland every other year. Mind you, the mice we lifted them out of a glass tank by the tail then put them in thick brown bags of thinnish white boxes for their journey home and I'm convinced most would have chewed through and escaped within minutes of leaving the shop. At the time, it was the fifth largest burgh in Scotland and contained within its boundaries, the areas of Plantation, Cessnock, Ibrox, Craigton and Drumoyne. During my first year studying sociology I came across Damer again in the form of a book that he had written about poverty and deprivation in the Wine Alley but put it to the back of my mind. Wineally for Wine Producers We make your wines shine by having them served with matching dishes in restaurants or at home. I went to Harmony Row school then Hills Trust school, then to Govan High school. We may then apply our discretion under the user terms to amend or delete comments. I was pretty sad when I left Govan and leaving my family was devastating to me. Moorepark is a small area in the Scottish city of Glasgow. We would also put on a concert in one of the vacant stores that Helen's brother and his wife had access to, the women would make hot peas and vinegar and listen to us all singing and dancing out of sync, but what memories, what sheer fun, I wouldn't trade it for the world today. Of all the memories that I hold dear as a very young boy, was the guy pushing a barrow every Saturday afternoon selling bags of whelks! When we moved to Nitshill in 1060, I realised how much I had loved Govan. Govan and Fisher, former NBA player and current head coach for the Los Angeles Sparks, got married on Saturday at Cielo Farms in Malibu, California. [27], In 1971, Upper Clyde Shipbuilders went into receivership and the Conservative government led by Edward Heath refused to give them a 6,000,000 loan. Regular bus services, mainly operated by McGill's Bus Services and First Glasgow, offer frequent routes to Glasgow City Centre, as well as to numerous locations in Renfrewshire. I went to St.Anthonys then St.Gerards, great days, I went back in the 70s and hardly recognized anything, even the people were different, if anybody has any info. Writing on behalf of my auntie. Govan (/ v n / GUV-n; Scottish Gaelic: Baile a' Ghobhainn) is a district, parish, and former burgh now part of south-west City of Glasgow, Scotland.It is situated 2.5 miles (4.0 km) west of Glasgow city centre, on the south bank of the River Clyde, opposite the mouth of the River Kelvin and the district of Partick.Historically it was I remember Betty McPhee, Margaret Liversidge, the Gourlay brothers and Brian Wilson.We lived in the top floor for a few years and the moved to bigger flat on first floor with a bathroom. One flat was chosen in Wine Alley and a second across the road in a collection of tower blocks called Iona Court. In particular, urban communities are increasingly constrained by both local and governmental authorities, and also by outside economic factors, which can and do prohibit perceived changes for the better. We then moved to a cottage at 112 Golspie Street down the lane, I always remember walking home down the lane, at the bottom of the lane we had a very large wooden gate, which we had to open to get in. Lastly, the reflections are intended to be used as a tool among the many Church, statutory, voluntary, and charitable organisations, to aid and encourage a fresh approach to the eradication of poverty in our lives today. This facilitated the development of shipbuilding as a major industry. Community service. Sad to see Govan now but many happy memories. 178 9 shares Like Most relevant Denise Mcdonald Many happy memories there in the late 80s and early 90s . I was born and lived in Harmony Row, 1960, before moving to Drumchapel in 1961. In June 2004 the Scottish Parliaments Public Petition Committee heard presentations from Govan Community Council about the failure of local regeneration policies in housing, poverty and unemployment. It was massive and as a wee girl it was magical, as well as Dands I also remember Bobbys on Langlands Rd, I got my Bay City Rollers trousers there, lol, there was loads of shoe shops in Govan, one was called Cherries I'm sure, also a massive one can't remember name, just round from Burleigh St, a few years back it was Bradley's chemist. We lived in Southcroft St., when we got married. I used to know a Maureen Murray who lived about there she would be about 72 now. My dad gave my a slap for not fighting them, god was only about five years old. "[13], By the early part of the 19th century, Govan was rapidly losing its rural appearance and assuming the character of a town with the development of new industries and factories, including Reid's Dye Works and Pollok's Silk Mill. 3 Smith, 1999, p. 40-41 The Old Govan Fair. Daddy Boyd who used to wear his academic gowns on official occasions which I to this day found hard to understand as none of the other teachers ever wore them. Clydebuilt Database - Shipping Times, Stuart Cameron. Finalists in the Intermediate Cup 1929-30, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Moorepark,_Glasgow&oldid=1142353497, Short description is different from Wikidata, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, This page was last edited on 1 March 2023, at 23:16. inaccuracy or intrusion, then please Not Now. I was born 1944, lived 3 up in 52 Wanlock Street, right across from the little swing park and Fairfields Shipbuilders and right next to the Govan Ferry. or. Burnside, 42, known as the Godfather, lived on the top-floor flat of his tenement. I was born at 61 Greenfield street in 1957 we lived above the dairy and I remember the betting shop. I remember the baths and went there every Friday, I also remember playing in the street and when the coalman came my mum and I would follow him with a pram and pick up any coal that fell of the lorry. 8/1. Strange thing is that we carried passengers on some days, these passengers had a dinner on board while we discharged the cargo with most never knowing what was happening. What a memory. It was fantastic staying there, 3 family's stayed in each cottage. Classification Housing Estate (Modern) Alternative Name (s) Moorpark Housing Estate; 'wine Alley'. No1seems2care. A friend called called Alison Galbraith. It closed permanently to regular passenger services on 9 May 1921. On the 21/6/2005 the plans for the future of Govans Central area were publicly revealed showing that housing and concern for unemployment was high on its agenda. In 1136, when Glasgow Cathedral was formally consecrated, King David I (112453) gave to the See the lands of Partick and also of the church at Govan (on opposite sides of the River Clyde), which became a prebend of Glasgow. I was born and brought up in Drumoyne. I went to Broomloan Rd nursery then the school. I remember my mum and dad and telling me how Govan was full of works, tenements, shops and pubs and how it was a vibrant place, this was very different from 1970s Govan that I grew up in, instead it was like a town after the blitz, I remember large areas of spare ground where the tenements and shops once stood, I remember playing in the old derelict tenements and works and in the rubble of demolished tenements, in the old tenements in Orkney Street we pretended to pour pints in the old Albert Bar. The first, Moorepark Grounds, was situated to the north of the mansion from the early 1900s and made way for the housing development;[12] the second (New Moore Park, opened in 1929) was to the south-west of the neighbourhood off Edmiston Drive[12] and had fallen into some disrepair before being replaced by a business park at the turn of the 21st century, with the club moving to new facilities at Shieldhall after some years of uncertainty.[13][14]. I lived across from Fairfield shipyard and I saw ship being launched when l was about four, I saw Harry Lauder embark from a ship and he was the first person who told me I was a bonnie wee lass. Canmore ID 315779. I was shown the door and advised to join the cubs, which I did, but I would have enjoyed being the 1st Lifebhoy. Only neighbours I remember were children Mary and her younger brother James Haggerty who lived in same close which I think was 95 Golspie Street. Many of the latter were too poor, ignorant and disorganised to remedy the situation themselves, and so the earliest community planners or social agencies necessarily undertook the first initiatives for planning and providing for people. The Wine Alley is a boutique wine shop specializing in fine wines from the Pacific NW and Around the world! They share a rivalry with St Anthony's F.C. "And so for the time being I have finished this series (4th book comming this year) what an amazing book I especially loved the mention of the wine alley in govan as that's where my mama is from! The church, situated at the west end of the village of Govan, and about 100 yards from the Clyde, was built in 1826, and is a plain structure containing 1096 sittings: the . 3 [17][18], A prominent feature of the Govan landscape was the Doomster or Moot Hill, which stood near the river, north of the present Govan Cross. Situated south of the River Clyde and part of the former Burgh of Govan, it was colloquially referred to as 'Wine Alley' during the mid-to-late 20th century when a housing scheme with a rough reputation was sited there. RM 2E6CW9C - Workers line the street and applaud the hearse carrying former trade union official Jimmy Reid as it is driven past the Govan shipyard in Glasgow, Scotland August 19, 2010. They thanked him for the work they had done in cleaning up Wine Alley and bringing Burnsides two-year reign of terror to an end. Two associated Christian burials are radiocarbon dated to the 5th or 6th centuries, making Govan the earliest known Christian site in the region. We used to listen to all the records being played from Munleys on a Saturday morning. And I went to see Grease at The Liceum on Govan Road. It was incorporated into the City of Glasgow in 1912.[5]. Instead, it referred to the popularity of cheap and powerful tonic wines particularly with young people - the vast consumption of which would often lead to violence and disorder. It also told them that he was changing the vehicles and registration numbers to avoid detection. I was born in 1950 and brought up in Govan in the Moorepark housing estate or the Wine Alley, as it was commonly known. We are the Eskimoes. He thought that important questions are never asked because mistakes in the finish of the whole are not seen until it is too late. Community organisation. Great memories of Summertown Road baths. Does anyone remember; Sophie, Robert; and Mary,who lived in Carmichael Street, Govan 1936? The faults were caused mainly by a lack of insulation and waterproofing at the joints in the concrete panels, which made up the structure. Directions to Wine Alley Govan (Glasgow) with public transport The following transport lines have routes that pass near Wine Alley Govan Bus : 121 23 26 X19 Train : SCOTRAIL Light rail : SUB How to get to Wine Alley Govan by Bus? On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. One hypothesis is that it was a prehistoric burial mound. I was born in Govan in 1930 and went to Saint Constantine's Elementary School and then on to Saint Gerard's in 1941, I was at St Gerard's until 1946. [32][33] The shipbuilding operations became BAE Systems Marine, which subsequently became part of BVT Surface Fleet, a naval shipbuilding joint venture between BAE Systems and VT Group, which became BAE Systems Surface Ships in 2009. Ah! Galbraith shop opposite Elderpark, they sold us kids a bag of broken biscuits. The most famous of these housing estates is Moorepark, sometimes referred to jocularly as "The Wine Alley"[22] - this area was named by The Independent newspaper in April 1994 as one of the worst areas in Britain, with drug abuse being a widespread problem and unemployment standing at nearly 30% (up to three times the national average at the time). In the cace of Easterhouse it was the various interested parties of the Eastethoude Community Group who decided to get the authorities to tske notice of their plight by directly intervening their own affairs. Any way they started to ask us our schools and of course my mates answered Broomloan Rd, Bellahouston and Lorne St, but when it came my turn my truthful answer was Our Lady and St Margaret's Primary just up the road from here. Lots of memories of that area. [7] It is now kept inside the church, as part of the Govan Stones museum collection. Moorepark is a small area in the Scottish city of Glasgow. 5 Fixed: Release in which this issue/RFE has been fixed.The release containing this fix may be available for download as an Early Access Release or a General Availability Release. I was searching for Harry Lauder pictures and came across this interesting site. During the Viking Age, following the sack of Dumbarton Rock in 870, Govan is believed to have been one of the major centres of the Kingdom of Strathclyde. I now live in Brydekirk village but I'll never forget Govan. There was a chapel in the parish at Partick. Elder park is a mess and all the railings have been taken out. This website and associated newspapers adhere to the Independent Press Standards Organisation's It is now an industrial estate . HP10 9TY. I would say about 90% of them never stayed in the winey they probably stayed kintra st, briton st, brighton st or clynder st etc but never the winealley. THURSO BERWICK (1919-1981) Hullo! Any profits went into the family home and we knew that we would get in return our Saturday matinee money and a sweety. My name is James Murray, my dad Edward Murray grew up in Govan. I didn't open my mouth, I was sure I was going to jail. I think the whisky bond was one of them. I went to St. Anthony's Primary School and after passing my quallies I went to St. Gerard's. As a university sociologist, Charlotte was a sweet pup who eagerly posed for a pic. We all loved living there as Govan was such a great place and had everything you needed, especially four cinemas. These incomers earned the contempt and resentment of some disgruntled local inhabitants, who focused on problems of anti-social behaviour in the estate, which acquired the nickname "Wine Alley". Built in the early 1930s by the 1970s the Wine Ally had developed a fearsome reputation, the council "modernised" it and tried to reintroduce the original n. I was born in Govan in 1950 at 10 Pearce Street across from the P.I., there was only one close in Pearce Street. Went to the new Hills Trust School in about 1975 where Mrs Carnegie was head teacher. I guess I drifted away from Govan for some time although I watched it contract as the shipyard industry faded and that was until my interest was aroused as the company I was working for took up new premisis near the Southern General as it was then. And increase their/your revenues. I loved Govan how all the woman watched as we played there was always an adult around and if they were not outside you knew exactly where to find them sitting in a house having a cup of tea great great days I wish we had lived in Govan longer than my 5 years but we always had many visits back to see relies and old neighbours. Conecteaz-te. Looking at Govan when it was a village, and film of how it grew into a town, we felt very proud of being born and raised in dear auld Govan. In Cowie Street, Kinning Park there was a pub at the corner but can't remember what it was called? The wine in the Wine Alley nickname was not expensive red and whites like Beaujolais and merlot. It was great reading all the stories. 25 bus to the Gladstone Gospel Hall at the corner of Golspie St and Logie St. We loved the years living there and in 1949, our little sister was born at 22 Shaw St., That same year we moved to Penilee, but when my sister and I were seventeen, our parents moved back to Govan because the house in Penilee was very damp, so our parents got an exchange to a house on Govan Rd., the cooperative building next to Fairfield's shipyard. My cousin Pat and I were just reminiscing about memories of the Steamie - which I think I was dragged along to, to help Mrs. Mary Devlin, in about 1965? [19] It was removed in the early 19th century and Reid's Dyeworks was erected on the site. A Gannett Company. We all went to Harmony Row school because that was where our mother went and she wanted us to have the same teachers she had, and there were a few left from when she attended there.