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Detective Barry Grube found it odd that Andrew fixed the severed phone line before police examined it in essence tampering with evidence. Suzanne Pearson fabricated quotes from Patricia including her claim that Patricia said, Im going to the electric chair upon her arrest because a conviction would boost Pearsons career. However, while sticking solely to the Rorrer case, the issue of the husbands alibi is very much open to doubt if one takes into consideration what the documentary, STARZ-The Wrong Man (in two parts) has revealed. Prosecutor pounds away. After the guilty verdict was pronounced, the defense learned that a report from a state psychologist was not given to the jury. She is a D-FW native with a B.A. Her alibi about going to the club, called Cowboys Nitelife, got fuzzy when investigators discovered she hadnt signed the guest book on that day. She was born on Jan. 24, 1964, in eastern Pennsylvania and moved back and forth between there and Davidson County, North Carolina. You are absolutely right. And then in their zealous efforts to show their ire, feel the need to suggest anyone who supports her is deluded. Why isn't Patricia "Tissie" Said in jail for her role in this "honor Meanwhile, interest in Patricias plight continues on social media. At one point, Owens looked directly at Said and reminded him of all of the abuse they endured, allegedly having a knife pulled on her. And this was never disclosed to Rorrers Defence. It says that Andrew reported the cut phone lines and broken pad lock was reported to the police at 10:30. Unfortunately for Joanne this psycho took it badly. A Texas father one of the FBIs Ten Most Wanted Fugitives wanted for the slayings of his two teen daughters was busted after more than 12 years on the run, the federal law enforcement agency announced. In April 1995, the family buried Joann and Alex in a single bronze casket after a funeral mass at a Bethlehem church. Mr. Said harbored his father, Yaser, inside an apartment in Bedford, Texas, where a maintenance worker spotted Yaser on Aug. 14, 2017. As for the murder weapon, police didnt find a .22 caliber pistol on Patricias property, but an ex-boyfriend claimed that she owned one and it would always jam after one shot. in journalism from the University of Southern California. They retested hair from the car in 2008 with updated new technology. But because there is no author of this page, I would like you to contact me on the Free Patricia Rorrer facebook page. And yikes, he discovered someone had cut one of the houses phone lines and pried the hinge on the basement door. Fact is she wasnt and all of her alibis were proven to be lies. ), The Wrong Man investigators Ira Todd and Joe Kennedy have some theories of their own. A person tried in a court of law and then found guilty is not the be-all and end-all to the case. They depict scenes which are pure speculation or exaggeration or present scenes, which in fact were only theories mentioned at her trial. That poor child who grew up with no mom for absolutely no reason. FBI agents watched them deliver grocery bags to the house and then followed them to a shopping center in Southlake where they dumped trash from the home, prosecutors said. In addition to the Facebook page, there are Reddit threads on her case. And dance instructor William Jarrett couldnt remember whether she attended his dance class at the club the night of Joanns disappearance. Patricia Prue sentence: Life without parole Omg so well put! Another former boyfriend said she talked about Andrew frequently and liked to gaze at old photos of him. Patricia also pointed out that when author Tammy Mal started her research and speaking to me, she was not an advocate at all but she reversed and ended up advocating for Patricias innocence. Have a tip we should know? ), And in another bombshell, Joanns good friend Karen Devine said Joann planned to leave Andrew after the holidays. Patricia Stop. According to a Morning Call account from March 5, 1998: McIntyre leaned forward conspiratorially like someone trying to persuade another to tell a secret, lowered his voice and said: Heres what I want to know: After you killed Joann Katrinak, did you kill that baby or just leave it to die?. Patricia had a knack for writing strong headlines, which won her first place in a 2012 national contest. Catherine are you sure your names not Karen? Ironically its you who is basing your view on second-hand information, as you were not in court. Patricia McCloskey, who menaced the marching crowd with her finger on the trigger of a handgun, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was ordered to pay a fine of $2,000. Maybe then you will see the wrongful conviction! Re Sells, the problem viz some serial killers is in exaggerating the number as a badge of honour. Lawyers pleaded their cases in closing arguments to 12 jurors and three alternates for nearly two hours Tuesday morning. One more thing acquire ALL the facts about this case If you can read. It might have said no root but could have been wrong. Agree with all you say but theres so much more involving incompetence, corruption, evidence tampering and then witnesses, in Rorrers favour, who were not disclosed to her defence her trial (something they were legally obliged to do). That's counting the nine bullets you put in Sarah. I think shes guilty for sure. He had an attractive new wife and beautiful baby boy. Cop defends accused. Which Patricia did not, so who is the real killer? Hair we go. The trial was taking so much of my time. I would have liked better her being put to death! You should be ashamed of yourself. (McIntyre said that Egan ignored Traupman because he was a nut who said that the man he saw arguing with the woman in a car was Hispanic but wearing a fake mustache and a toupee. As for the idiots who didnt think Ms. Rorrer guilty of anything more sordid than having zero taste, the simple fact(s) are that: 1) what they claim about such testing (as was done to the hair) wasexcuse me, IS wrong both due to the follow-up AFTER the mDNA test results were made only proved more concretely that Ms. Rorrer WAS the person the hair came from, 2) the inanity about thinking Andy had something to do with it (the simple fact that ALL investigations START by checking the closest, most immediate relative, i.e, a spouse), was after his being thoroughly vouched, to NOT be in ANY way involved, 3) since this case, forensic science has only improved by huge leaps, and that no one including the courts or the Innocence Project will get involved should make it VERY clear, this case is CLOSED. "The one thing I am guilty of is bringing the person who committed this crime to Vermont, and for that, I'm truly sorry" Allen Prue said in an apparent reference to his wife during his December sentencing. Another glaring omission is Early in the investigation, the police in their zeal to add some substance to their fanciful theory about the gun used in the crime, did a thorough search of Rorrers back yard/garden (where they did target practice) looking for spent shells and bullets, in order to do a forensic comparison with the bullet recovered from the victim. If you have ever met or been in a relationship with a narcissist, the former partner being with a more young and attractive-looking person would make them go off. Judge Chika Anyiam sentenced Said to life in prison without the possibility of parole. Look into it. However, Said never called 911. And even prosecutor Michael McIntyre, who wrote the book Hair Trigger about the case, acknowledged to Keith Morrison that it was a little odd that the police found blood on the hairs in Joanns car but nowhere else in the vehicle. But then again I havent actually SEEN the evidence. Judge Richard T. Fields will be presiding over the case and Public Defender Ruby Ramirez will be representing Patricia for the Riverside County Public Defenders Office. Patricia seemed like the girl next door but all of a sudden, something snapped, Katrinak later told Wrong Man investigators. It is not necessary to the case against her that she owned the killing gun (and it would be foolish to have used it). The only thing that has changed since this case is the ability of people to access and proclaim crackpot ideas, conspiracies, and all the rest. Rorrer killed two peoplea young mother and her small child and thru the justice system got what the bitch deserved! guilty . The teens were found shot multiple times in a cab outside an Irving motel after one of them called 911, saying she was dying, authorities said. So, lets take your response one step at a time. I thought the justice system in my state and the people were narrow-minded and corrupt. His favorite rattle, shaped like a phone, lay near the crime scene. Tiffany, it is amazing you have all the answers to these murders! They released a poster of Joann and Alex, noting that the baby had almond-shaped blue eyes, weighed 18 pounds, and was circumcised. They told him that if he testified against his sister, Patricia, he would be able to get out of prison sooner. The real killer is Rorrer! Deal refused. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. Yaser Said had been on the FBIs Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list since 2014 in connection with the fatal shootings of his daughters, 18-year-old Amina Said and 17-year-old Sarah Said, on New Years Day 2008. Theres a similar air of confusion connected to the Scott Peterson debacle. We didnt expect it. I was told they wanted to convict Lawrence Slaughter and not my sister.. Am I missing something? Addressing Patricia Prue, Judge Robert Bent said the sentence of life without parole was "fitting" since she was a full participant in the crime. Patty is my cousin. Unbloody vehicle. That poor child and that poor woman. On June 14, 1989, Patricia Wright and her 7-year-old son, Alfey, were riding in a car driven by family friend Lawrence Slaughter. If in the woods in a rural area, no animal, rodent or insect touched those bodies? "The family has been very patient. Andrew told investigators that the unpleasant phone call between Joann and Patricia happened just three days before his wifes disappearance. Patty Hearst Blasczyk said she escaped from East Germany as a teenager when the country was under Communist leadership. Strands of the accuseds dyed-blond hair at two crime scenes proved it. Andrew described his existence with Joanne and Alex as a little Camelot., Ex-spouse off list. THESE COPS ARE WRONG AND THEY ALL SHOULD BE IN JAIL FOR WHAT THEY DID TO PATRICA, PUTTING HER AWAY FOR LIFE FOR SOMETHING SHE DID NOT DO. Just as there is no such thing as the perfect murder, there is also no such thing as the perfect murder investigation. Youre absolutely right!! A few fries short of a Happy Meal, that one. Patricia Rorrer: An Update This is all BS.She did it. Catherine Im in complete agreement with you! The police considered the possibility that Joann ran away, a theory disputed by her family. They allege that the North Carolina resident stealthily drove 500 miles to Pennsylvania and killed out of a sense of deadly indignation. Narcissistic and violent tendencies are very common. And shes were so happy. Thats not proof theyre right but its more likely that you as one person are wrong. Mother of Sarah and Amina Said calls Yaser Said 'the devil' after a Dallas jury found him guilty. Said showed no emotion as the verdict was read. Jealousy was the motive. All this talk about hairs and other DNA just seems to keep deflecting away from the gun itself. More likely it reflects a relative reluctance to execute females as well as the pendency of what will be the last episode of DNA investigation. And she will have to answer eventually. Or did they? Prosecutors offered Patricia a plea deal that would take the death penalty off the table, but she declined. The evidence is overwhelming of her guilt. Or to keep it anonymous, click here. As for Joanns parents, her father died a year after the murder. Joann Katrinaks Killer Still Has Innocence Advocates(A Woman Scorned, Forensic Files). A newspaper account described Patricia as a soft-spoken, demure woman who had a sweet Southern accent and wore feminine clothes in court. When police traveled to North Carolina to interview Patricia about the murders of Joann and Alex, she said that on the day of the homicides, she had visited a feed store, a tanning salon, and a country music club. Joanns gun and beating wounds were obvious, but the baby died a less violent (but just as horrible) death with no clear signs. A man normally wouldnt care about killing a child, but a woman normally would have some kind of abhorrence to harming an innocent child. The evidence was all there. Joanne wouldnt have fought back as she was shot therefore almost immediately incapacitating her and was holding her son. Too bad she got off with just a life sentence. He says he "feared for his life" and left the girls in the cab alive as he ran away. The girls mother, Patricia Said, fled with both girls in the week before their killings because she was in great fear of her life, police said. Patricia Wrights brother, Larry Wright, 47, and her neighbor, Janet Marcelin, 55, both testified that Patricia Wright and Lawrence Slaughter committed the murder but recanted their testimony after Patricia was sentenced to life without possibility of parole. I mean the husband did do some shady things maybe he was involved? Shame on your for defending a vicious killer. Mark and Patricia McCloskey, the St. Louis couple that infamously pointed guns at demonstrators who were marching past their house last summer, have pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges in the incident. For one thing, her mother never asked Sandra Ireland to hide the gun, and she retrieved it on the way home the next day she worked as a bus driver and couldnt take it with her to school. Yassein Saids sentencing has been set for June 4. Great catch. Prosecutors said the Prues planned the March 2012 crime: Patricia Prue's computer had been used to conduct online searches for "how to kidnap a girl," the Prues acquired a stun gun, and they bought a prepaid cellphone to call Jenkins to ask for help. Puny policy. and there are probably many people who still think he is innocent too. I dont think so. Ill always say that Tommy Lynn Sells murdered the Routier boys OR the father Darrin did it. It seems so, according to you. RR, Watch the Forensic Files episode on YouTube. Police couldnt determine whether the baby died of exposure or suffocation. But I agree with a recent comment.. Why not do a paternity case so just that is done and out of the way. Curiously after this latest test, the 39 hairs removed only 34 were accounted for what became of the absent 4 hairs? I didnt read anything in this article that convinced me I didnt like that the lab had a bad rep and I do agree the police lie and frame people sometimes so I cant say 100% she did it or not. What definition? Thank you Kerry. They also raised concerns about what they considered a lack of evidence, including the lack of fingerprints and eyewitness reports the place Said at the crime scene. Caledonia County Deputy State's Attorney Kirk Williams read a letter from the Jenkins family to the court during the hearing. Patricia I dont understand Partricias defenders pointing to Andrew with the dyed blond hair found at the car and murder scene. And Andrews explanation of how the intruder got in through the basement door seemed contrived, according to Grube, who gave an interview to Wrong Man, a 2020 true-crime docuseries from the Starz network, which produced two episodes called The Hang Up about the Rorrer case. If not, how could Andrew have obtained samples of Patricias hair if they apparently didnt meet up in person after Andrews marriage? The womans disappearance became a missing person case with the Ross Township Police Department that sat on the shelf, lacking progress, for decades. I very much doubt you are. No charmed life. And when Patricia was taken into custody where they removed 39 hairs with root, and then all of a sudden after the FBI report say that the hair tested had NO ROOT ATTACHED, the hair tested had a root? Then you claim this is an opinion. Feb 7, 2017 Patricia A. Giddings, seated beside Keeseville-based attorney Jacob Painter in Clinton County Court on Tuesday, spoke only to affirm she understood the proceedings. During the tour Alfey was able to slip away into a room that was made for a little boy. How about the mix up with the hair and the fact that it was not forensically tested (outside of the one man who compared the hairs through naked eye). Have you read the book? Four months after Joanns disappearance, farmer Paul Kovalchik reported seeing what at first looked like a pile of clothes on his land in Heidelberg Township woods, about 15 miles from the Katrinaks house. Further, an early FBI report said the hairs found in the car had no roots which contain the DNA suggesting an evidence switcheroo. Patrica Owens, Yaser Said's ex-wife, testified before the jury Thursday morning and said why she fled her home with her daughters only to return days before they were Said Owens and her sister, Connie Moggio, entered the courtroom together. She had had numerous run-ins with the police and, each time, would tell them to be ready because the end of the world was coming. I had never been in jail before and I wasnt allowed to go outside. Prosecutors did not seek the death penalty, so Said was automatically sentenced to life in prison with no parole. Patricia defaulted on her mortgage and then returned to North Carolina, where she eventually moved in with a boyfriend named Brian Ward. Oh, and she was so obsessed with him that she started dating and found herself a boyfriend that was not only younger, but much more attractive than Andy? Irelands husband buried it in the yard because he didnt feel comfortable with a firearm inside, she said. Instead, he hid for 12 years until the FBI found him in a relatives home in Denton County. Clifford Freeman, were you a juror? Patricia is a evil monster. According to William G. Kelley, director of the Law Offices of the Orange County Associate Defender, Patricia did not receive a fair trial. Calling her ex because she just likes to stay in touch w peopleLOL! The trial was taking so much of my time. Now retired, he declined ForensicFilesNow.coms invitation to spar directly with Patricia via a podcast. Had there been a switch? This information was never revealed to Rorrers defence. The Irish-Italian girl had full, fluffy dark hair, olive skin, and a pretty face. "Yaser Said, you're a devil. WebShe is as guilty as her husbandshe KNEW that her husband would kill these girlsshe even STATED that he would kill the girlsand yet she lied to them to get them to return to Texas She has no means to reply or rebut this outrageous slurs and these forums are the only way I know where people may become aware of the wrongful conviction of innocent person and equally, those who happily believe all the adverse and damaging comments. Oklahoma Incest Case: Mom Married Kids - Peoplemag of course they all do it to make money only, some of them do it shamelessly, without the slightest attempt to be fair and honest. Shock, Gloria Smith, the sister of the lost-and-found woman, said at the press conference. "So it was relieving to get guilty verdict and get justice for these girls.". From my point of view, the American police investigations are first hand, and often very poorly done, Ive only seen worse in the British police, which is paradoxical given the laudatory talent of both nationalities, but it is a Scandinavian saying: bigger the mouth, smaller the facts. As I stated previously, if she cannot speak for herself, Im happy to step up on her behalf. But I suppose you havent a clue about that. Nine. (Media sources vary as to whether she actually worked at the stable or just rented a stall there for her own horse.). Opinion: the ideas that a person or a group of people have about something or someone, which are based mainly on their feelings and beliefs, or a single idea of this type.. Islam Said, Yasseins 32-year-old nephew, pleaded guilty to the same charges last month in connection with the effort to protect Yaser Said, 63, who had been a fugitive since 2008. . Yaser Said was sentenced to life in prison without parole for the murder of his two daughters Amina and Sarah Said in 2008. And the obvious answer is that the makers too think the evidence is against her. In recent years, she began to share key details about her past life in Pittsburgh to nursing home staff that led This story has been shared 114,982 times. The case was eventually abandoned. A Pittsburgh-area woman missing for over 30 years and declared legally dead several years ago has been found alive in Puerto Rico, authorities in Pennsylvania said on Thursday. And the obvious answer is not as you claim. So where they alive somewhere, and if so how could of Patricia, who was questioned, with not one mark on her kill them? Why would it be an irony for a person to express his opinion? Very similar. Despite the new evidence and hypotheses, the courts have rejected all of Patricias bids for a new trial. We should be skeptical of those, like you, who suggest its obvious a jury got it wrong that you know better than 12 people presented with the evidence. She had money put aside. Nobody said bodies were intact. Throughout the process, she heard many community members waiting for the proceedings to be over. If I see anything that offers a differing opinion or is inaccurate, I think its entirely fair I should say my piece. Patricias accusers theorized that she resented Joanns domestic bliss with the tall, athletic Andrew Katrinak. On Alexs diaper bag, police found strands of the same type of hair from the car. If you so dearly feel the need to occupy the high ground in debate or an argument, have the decency to quote accurately. Just one example. It all gave jurors a lot to think about but only for six hours. Perhaps youre not aware, there was a great deal of evidence of which these documentaries made no mention, as well as misdeeds and incidents of corruption perpetrated by the cops. According to the Division of the Adult Institutions and Gov. The Egyptian-born taxicab driver was sought on capital murder charges since the New Years Day 2008 shootings of his two daughters, Sarah Yaser Said, 17, and Amina Yaser Said, 18, which have been described as honor killings.. Or the fact the one of those officers heard her make this statement at the time of her arrest and not the other. Theyre more than happy to exaggerate and speculate the details of the crime, which serves to attract more viewers who (like you) seem to be happy to believe it all. DA readily agreed they did not belong to Rorrer, was happy to admit they were never submitted for analysis. Plus, two men, her babys father and his friend, testified they saw Patricia at the line-dancing club the night of the homicide. What they reported to us is that she came into their care in 1999 where she was found in need, in the streets in Puerto Rico, where she had been wandering around. My biggest issue is the day the phone call came in, and the fact that the prosecutor deliberately misrepresented the facts. PS Speculative lies is meaningless. Above, we have another whos totally clueless, has little or no knowledge of this case, but is happy to display his/her ignorance with a rant based on limited knowledge learned from biased documentaries who thinks that by using offensive and insulting language itll influence those who support Rorrer into changing their opinions.